Hopefully I’ll have video up by this weekend at the latest. Here’s a link to the transcript. Alan Chambers appeared opposite Mark Shields of HRC. (Since when does HRC care or know anything about ex-gays? Shields admits he never even went through an ex-gay program.)
Of note, Alan even seemed a bit surprised by Haggard’s 3-week transformation to full heterosexuality:
COOPER: Alan, you believe it is possible to stop being gay. Ted Haggard, though, says that he — this is something he wrestled with his entire life. Does it make sense to you that he was able to stop this allegedly in three weeks of counseling?
ALAN CHAMBERS, PRESIDENT, EXODUS INTERNATIONAL: Well, the truth is that’s not my story, and it’s not the story of anyone I’ve ever met. I don’t know Ted Haggard’s journey over the last three weeks, but like Mark, I would say that it’s something that — it doesn’t seem like something that is really the case.
And of course Alan dances around semantics when asked if he’s still attracted to men:
COOPER: So you entered the counseling. Do you still have attraction to men? You’re just choosing not to act on it?
CHAMBERS: My attraction greatly diminished over the course of many years. Sixteen years into it, my life isn’t even remotely the same as it once was, but I often say that I will never be as though I never was.
And the truth is that I’m a human being. And for me to say that I could never be attracted to men again, or that I couldn’t be tempted would mean that I’m not human, and that’s just not the case.
Then Mark Shields from says something truly brilliant and obvious we need to hear more of in the mainstream press:
You know, I wonder if Ted Haggard had been told as a child that it was OK to be gay and that he could have a rich, full life, if his life story wouldn’t have been less painful and contorted.
Alan Chambers then acknowledged some gay people reconcile their faith and sexuality. This is a pretty radical departure from Focus’ position, which it had begun to appear was calling the shots at Exodus.
COOPER: And is that based on a belief that you cannot be Christian and gay? I mean, is the wonderful life you’re talking about a religious life which you feel was not accessible to you as an openly, proud, happy gay man?
CHAMBERS: Not at all. I think that there are plenty of gay people out there who are Christians, as well, but for me, homosexuality wasn’t compatible with my faith, and my faith was much more important than that.