Exgay activist D.L. Foster is challenging remarks made here at XGW by Regan DuCasse (e-mail).
But Foster is denying DuCasse the opportunity to respond to his criticisms.
DuCasse wrote this response:
My Friends,
Looks like DL Foster has plainly gone to war on me. He’s taking my comments here and is using them on his own site to rip my opinions, but he’s especially taking me to task over what I’ve said about my family and heritage.
And turning it into an indictment at every chance.
My background is also black, Creek (my paternal grandmother) and of an Irish Protestant immigrant from Cork.
Now, I’m not allowed to post any opinions or questions or discuss or defend what I’ve said at his site.
Now I love history too, as Foster has said he cares for.
He went to the trouble of checking out Chicasaw cultural sites to try and discredit me.
But we talk here also about civil rights history.
And how whites, and others have used one’s personal characteristics, not harm…being turned into moral reform and cause for unjust discrimination.
He might have found historical situations associated with the Chicasaw tribe that until a hundred years ago, were true.
But I know that NA children from many different tribal nations were taken wholesale from their homes and unwillingly placed in institutions and forced to learn the Bible, and aculturated to be more tolerable to whites and trained to do menial labor for white businesses and homes.
No one’s cultural history is perfect.
It’s also true that Africans who captured tribal enemies sold them into American and European slavery. That still doesn’t justify the institution of slavery and it’s cousin Jim Crow thereafter.
But we are now living in the 21st century, and there are still situations of savagery that occur against many innocent human beings, including gay people, that’s mental and physical, that must be addressed and eliminated.
The point is, Foster is behaving strangely. I cannot participate in a discussion with him, but he cruises this site to give cause to call me names.
I’m a big girl, and thick skinned and I was warned here that he was a thug.
He hasn’t hurt my feelings. It’s just a sign of his lack of class.
He validates exactly what you say.
And here I was, trying to virtually ignore him.
How very strange that he’s taken such an interest in me, despite the fact that I haven’t directly addressed him in months.
He’s decided he knows everything about me and ALL my tribes, from my posts here.
Now, what do you make of that?
Great job Regan!
And you’re in excellent company:
“I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: ‘O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.’ And God granted it.” — Voltaire (1694 – 1778)
I… didn’t understand a word of that.
You should see some of the posts he deletes from me.
He’s a foul propagandist and nothing more.
Scott, if you (or anyone else) have copies of comments that were deleted by D.L., please feel free to post them here, along with links to the original page. Thanks.
I wish I did have a few of them. I never think ahead to save the comments I post.
From DL’s site:
“Regan Ducasse, exgaywatch’s resident self proclaimed Indian queen among queers (their self identifier, not mine)”
I don’t recall Regan ever refering to herself as an Indian queen. Ever. In fact, this simply isn’t credible since Regan seems to use the term Native American and knows that the term “queen” has negative connotations.
Second, I don’t refer to myself as a “queer” and neither do most of the participants at this site. The term may occasionally pop up but it is far from frequent.
Foster did not use the term “queen among queers” accidentally. His intention was to mock and call names.
Of course, this sort of tactic immediately discounts anything else he has to say. Since I know that “queen among queers” is not Regan’s or our self identifiers, I know he’s not truthful. I don’t need to do research to know that the remainer of his column is not predicated on truth. I see the lie, recognize a liar, and would be a fool to believe anything beyond that point.
DL Foster is a spiteful, unpleasant, and untruthful person. I think that his attitude of anger and destructiveness is pretty evident to anyone who reads him or hears him and I suspect that he does far more harm than help to his cause.
Most folks don’t hear incivility and nastiness and say “hey, there’s a good person, I want to be just like him”. Regardless of your views on the divinity of Christ, the person Jesus clearly was wise when he said “If you want to know who my followers are, you will be able to identify them because of how they treat others with love”.
(paraphrase of John 13:35)
I don’t refer to myself as a “queer” and neither do most of the participants at this site. The term may occasionally pop up but it is far from frequent.
“Sometimes it’s nice to know we queers aren’t the only ones who find Lou Sheldon creepy”
Posted by Daniel Gonzales 0900 AM
The Only Queers I’ve Found Actively Unhappy about Sweden? Posted by Daniel Gonzales at 07:55 PM
I Read You Loud and Queer! Posted by Joe Kort at September 26, 2004 11:37 PM
Interesting. I find no protest whatsoever from you or anyone else at being called or identified as a queer by someone authorized to represent this site. And what about exgaywatch’s gleeful partnership with Queer Action Coalition? No objection there either.
I don’t recall Regan ever refering to herself as an Indian queen. Ever. In fact, this simply isn’t credible since Regan seems to use the term Native American and knows that the term “queen” has negative connotations.
queen: Something having eminence or supremacy in a given domain and personified as a woman.
She’s been warned before about unsubstanitated remarks. Chicasawgate is just one of many.
Finally, there are no negative connotations among Native Americans in conjunction with the word queen. Another complete and self serving fabrication.
Thank you everyone.
Scott, I tried to send you an email. I have noticed how Foster treats you.
I would like to say that my two very petite NA grandmothers survived horrendous personal tragedy, the Great Depression, women’s suffrage and Jim Crow-to emerge as loving, sober, well educated and compassionate women.
They were sweet, and the beloved matriarchs of their families.
It is very hard to NOT be conflicted by the legacies of racism, fundamentalist religious missionaries and the subjugation of women-when fueled by selective religious principles and male centric laws.
But they were good women, devoted to their children and grandchildren.
My father, grew up strong and of fine character despite losing ten siblings to racism and living in poverty.
I don’t know and can’t always speak for the whole of where I come from.
No one can.
But I can speak for the love of and from my own grandmothers and of their struggles.
And if we are to respect struggle and it’s survivors, I was taught to try and understand about compassion for those with less justice in the world, and to keep my mind open to learn more.
I think they taught me well.
Foster…what’s it to you?
I’ll have to check my spam filters on AOL Regan.
I’ve noticed the same pattern from DL, Randy, Alan and the like.
They love easy questions that have black and white answers but if you ask them a real world question or make a point that in any way challenges their world view, it gets ignored, shouted down or deleted.
One question I’ve been asking DL and Randy Thomas over and over again is whether it’s ok for somebody who follows Christian teachings to lie in order to achieve a political goal.
The question has been ignored by both of them because they both know I can demonstrate that good Christians like themselves have been caught in very public lies.
Randy Thomas’ ad campaign a few weeks ago is a great example of telling half truths or outright lies in order to influence the public agenda.
My question to DL and Randy both is why is that ok?
When I did ministry, one of the things that we spoke of was the fruits of the spirit. You could tell a true believer by the fruits of his or her life. If a person is nasty, vindictive, cruel, and out to hurt and destroy others, they were not seen as people of God.
DL, your actions today and in the past suggest your fruits. Take it as you will, but doesn’t Christianity teach that when you follow Christ you put off the old and become a new man? Is this apparent in your actions? Can you even see your hurtful actions for what they are?
He hasn’t hurt my feelings. It’s just a sign of his lack of class.
That’s putting it mildly. And there’s a really pitiful lack of spine visible here too. Foster could have said something to your face right here couldn’t he? Ah…but then he’d get replies back to his.
That he’s not above taunting someone on the basis of their sexual orientation is old news. Now we find he’s not above taunting someone on the basis of their race and culture. Whatta guy. So this is what coming out of homosexuality does for you.
Posted by: DL Foster at January 12, 2006 02:12 PM
“If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.” (I Corinthians 13:1)
Or, for those who are not believers:
“Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”
There are some people who have demonstrated time after time their inability to participate in good faith civil discourse. It is best to leave those people to their own world.
David
The question has been ignored by both of them because they both know I can demonstrate that good Christians like themselves have been caught in very public lies.
I smell…
A-G-E-N-D-A
not worthy of a response.
Spread the word.
PS: I have all of your deleted comments. Just let me know which ones you want and I’ll box em up and ship em to you.
For the rest: Meep, meep!
See what I mean?
He wont answer the question.
Finally, there are no negative connotations among Native Americans in conjunction with the word queen. Another complete and self serving fabrication.
So…DL…you saw a few black velvet paintings of Native American Queens wearing sioux chief headdresses and bikini buckskins at a flea market and you figure you know all about it now, eh?
…and speaking of which. I was visiting a friend in Kansas a few months ago and he showed me around some of the (and long closed) indian schools from back in the day. The motto of one of them was “Kill the indian to save the child.” Gosh…doesn’t that sound vaguely familiar DL…? A kind of Exodus for the indigenous, eh?
Regan, “He hasn’t hurt my feelings. It’s just a sign of his lack of class.”
Yes, and a sign of how classy of a lady you are.
soooo…uhhhhh…bruce is it?
I see you claim some Indian ancestry yourself.
Maybe you’d like to post something other than a incomprehensible quip which actually proves my statement wrong. I suspect you cant, that’s why you polish your post off with an unrelated anecdote that has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
As to your second question (?) the answer is nope.
I hope you enjoyed seeing the black velvet paintings of Native American Queens wearing sioux chief headdresses and bikini buckskins at a flea market when you were in Kansas.
Also I’ve noticed that all the latent scripture quoters are quoting their quotas for today. Some are even offering interpretation. Sounds really good! Keep up the good work. This site might actually turn into a Bible study with all this scripture quoting going on.
meep,meep!
Is it me or does DL seem particularly unhinged today?
Regina Griggs might do well to give him a quick call and tell him he’s not helping his cause much.
I think DL makes the perfect posterboy for the whole ex-gay movement. Lovely.
1. Anyone notice how DL actually reinforced my point?
I stated that very seldom does anyone here adopt the identier of “queer”. DL was able to find a couple examples before having to resort to tying us to ANOTHER GROUP that actually does use the name.
And then rather than admit he made up the term “Indian queen” and that he lied when he said it was our identifier (or perhaps Regan’s) he changed the subject.
You lied, DL. Yep, lied.
2. When it was pointed out that “good Christians” were caught in very public lies, DL considers this to be “agenda”.
That’s just bizarre.
Those of us who try to follow the teachings of Christ recognize that lies by those who claim the mantle of Christianity brings shame to our faith.
It isn’t some gay political agenda to hold Christians to strict truthfulness.
Foster’s disregard for this fact, as well as his disregard for truth, suggests that his motivations may not have much basis at all in his religious beliefs. He is willing to bring shame on the name of Christ so very cavalierly.
No doubt some think that being gay brings shame on Christ, but there is one significant difference. I do not hide on deny that I reconcile my orientation with my faith. Those who may disagree with me know that I’m not trying to fool them.
However, to simultaneously claim that you adopt all the traditional rules of the faith – and the absolute ban on untruthfulness is a central tenet – while also disgarding any effort at honesty is blatant hypocrisy. And diminishes any ability that anyone could have to share the “good news” of the message of Christ.
And Regan. I gotta say I’m soooo jealous. Your detractors are much more entertaining than mine! LOL
Does anyone have the faintest clue what “meep, meep” is all about? Does DL fancy himself to be a roadrunner dashing in to outwit a coyote?
Anyone notice how DL actually reinforced my point?
No, you actually had to put a flare in front of it because it wasnt reinforced.
When it was pointed out that “good Christians” were caught in very public lies, DL considers this to be “agenda”.
Wow, mr. good homosexual christian himself is taking up the banner for Christ. What a comedy of errors this has become!
Jim, dont get me started on you. Why would you go and attempt to ridicule the entire city of Abilene, TX? You took pictures of private businesses, posted them on your website and then mocked them. Im sure those individuals had done nothing to deserve your scorn. Actually that’s quite petty, but typical.
As a guest in the city, that’s a crass and malicious thing to do. It shows a sneering contempt for people’s faith and value system as well as a arrogant streak of elitism which is common among homosexuals who despise traditional teaching of the scriptures.
I’ll let you figure out what that makes you the poster, er boy(?) for.
And yep, the roadrunner escapes the evil coyotes once again.
“One question I’ve been asking DL and Randy Thomas over and over again is whether it’s ok for somebody who follows Christian teachings to lie in order to achieve a political goal.”
Scott, it seems clear to me that many anti-gay Christians like DL, Thomas, Chambers, Throckmorton, etc. do believe its okay to lie (or lie through ommission) in order to achieve a political goal. They just will never admit it because they know it’s not generally socially acceptable. DL Foster shows when honesty is on the agenda he wants no part of it.
DL, your gameplaying with banning Regan from your site and then claiming you want her to respond is shameful. Your claim that none of the chicasaw literature mentions two-spirited people is a classic example of your baseless claims – its impossible for you to have exhaustively searched all Chicasaw literature and verified none of it refers to same sex attracted people being held in esteem. Quickly taking a blindered look around and saying “I don’t see it in native cultures” far from proves it does not exist. One of the willful lies encouraged by anti-gays is that there is no suppression of evidence of gays in history, that all we see is all there is. Given many people have historically wanted to hide their same sex attractions and many of the public have wanted to avoid acknowledging same sex behavior its a reasonable assumption that recorded history overlooks a lot, maybe most, gay behavior. That people like DL ignore that as he does shows willful deceit.
It is well documented that two-spirited people (Berdache as they were sometimes disparagingly called) existed in many many North American native tribes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berdache
https://www.bcholmes.org/tg/berdache.html
https://www.msu.edu/~lees/Kristina/Berdache.htm
https://www.healthyplace.com/communities/gender/intersexuals/berdache_tradition.htm
Posted by: Timothy Kincaid at January 12, 2006 03:47 PM
Timothy the “meep meep” is obviously a reference to the speed with which DL runs away from an honest and sincere debate. DL if you had any integrity you’d agree to an honest one for one trade of questions and answers with Regan…or someone…anyone. A person with integrity wouldn’t hesitate to answer the question if its okay for a Christian to lie to achieve a political goal.
Is there a purpose to all these insults? Perhaps we can just cut to the chase and get this over with.
David
Jim, dont get me started on you. Why would you go and attempt to ridicule the entire city of Abilene, TX? You took pictures of private businesses, posted them on your website and then mocked them. Im sure those individuals had done nothing to deserve your scorn. Actually that’s quite petty, but typical.
I just looked at Jim’s Texas post and all I saw was census information on the town.
The photo of Bible Harware didn’t have any commentary I could see. Maybe I’m missing something.
I started to post more about DL Foster’s dishonesty, aversion to debate, and general snarkiness.
But this is truly doing nothing other than gratifying Foster’s ego. Here he has a whole bunch of folks talking ABOUT HIM. In fact, I suspect that the attack on Regan was nothing more than an attempt to get attention.
I mean, really, has anyone even glanced at his site in the past several months?
So I suggest that we just let DL rant in his vile offensive way and ignore him. Even the political religious conservatives mostly ignore him; he’s an embarrasment.
So I challenge us XGWers to not respond. Yeah he’ll try to make it ever more personal in an attempt to elicit response, but we can be bigger than that. He’ll eventually get bored and go back to ranting on his site in his own uniquely bizarre way about whatever “evils” he imagines that he see.
(Randi beat me to it, but I’ll post this anyway just to support what she said a few posts up.)
No time for a big long post today, but there’s a line from Foster’s site that I can’t leave unchallenged.
“The acceptance of homosexuality among American Indians is largely an unsubstantiated ‘belief’.”
I can think of two books off the top of my head off the top of my head that discuss same-sex male relationships in indigenous American cultures. They are Will Roscoe’s The Zuni Man Woman and Malcolm Margolin’s The Ohlone Way.
I’m certainly no expert on the subject, but my understanding is there’s a substantial body of scholarship that supports the idea that many indigenous cultures accepted male homosexuality. It’s puzzling to me that Foster would try to deny that.
I started to post more about DL Foster’s dishonesty, aversion to debate, and general snarkiness.
Oh gee golly wiz aunt bee, mr homosexual christian soldier doesnt want to play anymore.
whatsa matter timmy, can’t take any of your own medicine? LOL
“XGWers” sit around like a bunch of gossiping sissies, oops queers, disparaging people and their lives, wetting your pink panties laughing at the death of good men and mocking the faith of Christians who disagree with you. BUT when you get an ounce of xlax you fall apart. Typical for a hen house.
Funny, as long as you thought you were one upping then you were all for the game. Now, you want everybody to forfeit the game, grab your jacks and go home. When you decide to clean up your evil ways here at the xgaywatch hen house, then you may qualify to question me and on a good day get an answer.
I like bringing the game to my opponent’s face. Too bad the opposing team is all fluff.
This has been a full days work. Whew!
Parting word: Watch what you say.
Yep, meltdown in full effect.
Somebody save this thread for distribution the next time DL decides to take a trip to Capitol Hill with Regina Griggs.
I’m sure the good Senators would love to see exactly who they’re dealing with.
This might be worthy of emailing to DL’s flock in Atlanta.
A man of God calling people “sissy’s, queers, hens”. Using scatological references (xlax).
He’s a virtual PR nightmare.
“>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berdache
wikipedia? what more can one say?
“>https://www.bcholmes.org/tg/berdache.html
a man pretending to be a woman. What a resource.
“>https://www.msu.edu/~lees/Kristina/Berdache.htm
another man pretending to be a woman.
“>https://www.healthyplace.com/communities/gender/intersexuals/berdache_tradition.htm
a progay “health” site
Wow, these are impressive.
Just for comparison’s sake, the resources I used were unbiased third party, experts in that field of study. But thanks anyway I will use these to further prove that Regan Ducasse distorts history to bolster an political agenda.
I got nothing but love for you, my friends. I thank you and thank you and thank you.
Soon, and soon…may all be illuminated!
It truly confuses me how one can profess a belief in Christ for salvation, claim to have been miraculously transformed from gay to straight (or healed of SSA or however he understands it), only to act like Satan himself around those who, according to this way of thinking, are exactly where he once was. This is hateful, arrogant and sinful – the antithesis of a Christian witness.
Now compare this to the Christlike integrity and gentle spirit of Grace (Willful Grace), who also believes homosexuality to be a sin. You shall know them by their fruit, and this is an outstanding example of just that. I see absolutely nothing of Christ in the actions of DL Foster and I don’t say something like that lightly. Even if everyone here was completely in error, his would still be the most perverse view of all.
David
“Why would you go and attempt to ridicule the entire city of Abilene, TX? You took pictures of private businesses, posted them on your website and then mocked them.”
Ridicule? Mock? Oh really?
My post on Abiline.
I very much enjoyed my stay in Abiline. I had a wonderful visit with my partner’s parents and family. I thought Abiline was a very unique and unusual town.
And as for the “private business”, well I thought the name of the business was unusual, but as far as being private, well, it’s a whole city block long right smack in the middle of their beautiful historic downtown. That “private” business’ sign has got to be some fifty feet long. It seems to be a very successful business. Everyone in town knows about it.
Meltdown indeed.
Oy.
soooo…uhhhhh…bruce is it?
Yep.
I see you claim some Indian ancestry yourself.
Well…I’m still digging into it. At the moment I can only show through the record that great granddad Garrett had a child by way of a woman who was not his wife, and that child was my fraternal grandfather. I have a picture of great-granddad and this lady somewhere in my family picture boxes that suggests strongly that she was at least of some native American blood, but it’s only a picture. The folks in that side of the family still alive who knew great-granddad all say she was a “full-blooded” native American. But that’s not exactly proof. So I have a bit of work cut out for me. Luckily I have a few friends who are into the genealogy thing and have been helping me dig up old records.
Maybe you’d like to post something other than a incomprehensible quip which actually proves my statement wrong.
Maybe you’d like to grow a conscience DL? You wouldn’t be so quick to hurl stereotypes at people. Ah…but then how would you prove to yourself how much better you are then they? Your blog is nothing but one cheap dehumanizing stereotype of homosexuals after another…and let’s face it, you do it specifically to offend. And so of course you called Regan an Indian Queen because you figured that would offend her. You knew exactly what you were doing. That toolkit of handy stereotypes…indian queens ranking right up there with indian princesses and squaws…is never far out of reach is it DL? Of course you’d do to other groups of people what you do to your gay and lesbian neighbors. Nobody looses their conscience conditionally.
Everything you could have become DL, everything fine and noble you could have done for your neighbors from behind that pulpit. And you traded it all for that cheap quick fix bigotry provides. You haven’t changed. You’re still the manipulative lout you were back in your tricking days. You thought the pulpit would make you something you couldn’t make yourself and it can’t DL. It’s still you standing behind it. And now instead of bringing people to God, all you can do is spit on them.
So I suggest that we just let DL rant in his vile offensive way and ignore him. Even the political religious conservatives mostly ignore him; he’s an embarrasment.
Actually, I have the opposite suggestion.
Look, the tide for civil rights didn’t turn until whites in America were shocked and horrified that the likes of Bull Connor and George Wallace came to represent the defenders of segregation. When Lester Mattox became a national embarrasment, suddenly “knowing one’s place” became much less palatable.
DL, Phelps, and the others… We should give them the platform they crave. Let them become the face of antigay rhetoric. Let the more “reasonable” and “intellectual” Dobsons and Throckmortons squirm as their message gets linked to buffoonery.
DL and Phelps want the limelight. I’m more than happy to give it to them — and even egg them on.
Ordinary folks, and especially antigay Christians, need to become seriously embarrased by these lunatics.
So I challenge us XGWers to not respond. Yeah he’ll try to make it ever more personal in an attempt to elicit response
LOL Timothy, he sure didn’t waste any time in fulfilling your prediction!
Jim,
You do make good points. I guess perhaps I should modify my argument to be:
Don’t try to reason with DL. Don’t spend effort pointing out his lies, inconsistencies, or lack of logic. It’s pointless and it’s pretty clear that most of his efforts are simply getting attention for himself and annoying his “enemies”. He’s busy playing some game and trying to one-up everyone; it’s all a form of self gratification.
The saddest thing is that while Foster had some sort of religious conversion, he still seems to be a most miserable man. And clearly has no regard for the wonderful truths and joy that can be found in the religion he claims to represent.
But yes, I guess he can be useful as an example whenever someone comes in here to tell us that the ex-gay ministries are just trying to help us with love.
Hi Jim Burroway!
Speaking of seeing interesting signs on businesses in one’s travels.
Years ago, about 1988, I was touring as a dancer with the Ringling Bros. circus.
The best part of being there, was living on and traveling exclusively in the big,long train.
The vestibules are open to the outside, and literally were like our front porches to the world.
As we went slowly through a tiny town in West Virginia, there was a large yard of cars in various stages of disrepair or junked.
There were several outbuildings, but one had a huge cross on the door, it’s only adornment.
We didn’t get the connection until our train passed the two story marquee sign at the edge of the yard and we were able to see the other side.
Which read:
“CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST AND BODY SHOP”
No offense to American workmanship, ingenuity and faith-but me and the clowns are still laughing over that one.
“Years ago, about 1988, I was touring as a dancer with the Ringling Bros. circus. The best part of being there, was living on and traveling exclusively in the big,long train.
“
Regan, girl! I so gotta meet you!
Yes, the best part about West Virginia (I grew up just across the river) was the juxtaposition of religious faith and ordinary life, with examples like that (and other examples, too, during the Sago mine disaster). Last fall I took my partner through West Virginia on a one-week driving trip through the southern Appalachian coal fields. We saw numerous examples like that. It is far from rare.
My brother and his wife live in West Virginia coal country, where they both teach in the local schools and are raising the cutest nephew in the world. They love it there, and I can certainly understand the attraction. My partner was very surprised at how beautiful it all was. And strange. Yet also incredibly friendly. West Virginia gets such a bad rap.
And Abilene TX reminded me of that.
So there, DL. Leave it to you to confuse affection with mockery.
I have also noticed in my travels in America Jim, that the smallest of towns will have no less than one church for EACH Christian denomination.
If any Jews are around, they might have to hold Temple…in a church basement.
Or maybe ONE little Temple might be represented.
Fortunately, one’s own home can suffice for the Shabbas. The home is for Kiddush anyway.
The Christian faith was never in any danger of being restricted or collapsing here and now.
The presence of it is strong and varied in how Americans express their affiliation.
But we cannot mistake bullying for strength, nor arrogance for knowledge.
Nor secularism for immorality.
We can share, ponder and respect in the end.
And thanks for sharing your observations in Abilene.
Difference…and our perpetual uniqueness is a wink and nod from our Creator.
Like a parent that’s given his children a paintbox and brushes and expects beauty to emerge from imagination.
It isn’t just in the Bible Belt. Here in Los Angeles we have Hallelujah Auto Sound.
And can I just say… Regan you never fail to surprise me. A dancer for the circus!!
OH great Regan, now DL is going to do some investigative reporting on the effects of clowns on small children.
I can save him the trouble:
Scary as hell!
Some comments on Foster’s rant:
1. The evidence that Native American tribes tolerated a form of same-sex relationships through the two-spirit and “berdache” tradition is overwhelming and is documented in numerous writings and texts by anthropologists who observed native american cultures. Foster should read some books, and look at the evidence presented, instead of just going into a tirade about how gays “distort the historical record.” But this is the point, isn’t it? He was just hunting for an opportunity to attack the “great gay conspiracy” to distort history, not to discuss/debate facts.
2. DuCasse was not saying that “Christians are evil and Chicsaws angels.” Her point was that Christians did things in the name of Christianity that had horrific effect on her people. This is true, and this would not be the only example of gross Christian misconduct. In fact, the “savagery” of Indians, blacks, Asians was used as a justification for the very things DuCasse talked about! The reality is that “Christian” nations have been responsible for far more savagery than any native american tribe did (slavery, imperialism, two world wars–and those are just the highlights!)
3. It is interesting that Foster, who takes the Bible literally, would express some indignation at the fact that there was a strict division of labor and that women “were allowed little voice or authority in the tribes.” Doesn’t the Bible say that women should be silent in the church because they are ontologically “fallen into discretion” and that women should “submit” to their husbands?
Oh great Regan, now DL is going to do some investigative reporting on the effects of clowns on small children. I can save him the trouble: Scary as hell!
He can even pick on me again when he does this investigating —
A Couple of Clowns Robbed A Quick Mart.
And okay, that was mockery.
Jim, tsk tsk 😉
When I was a small child I had a recurring nightmare about clowns. My room was decorated with a circus theme so my older brother had to trade with me.
Going back for a moment to D.L.’s stereotypes about XGW:
While I allow other authors to call themselves whatever they wish, I don’t call myself or anyone else “queer.”
Ringling preserved some interesting traditions around clowns.
I think a while ago, I mentioned the four prominent types of clown faces that are traditional to the art.
Auguste (flesh colored base, exaggerated eyebrows and mouth), moustache (white base with any color mouth or eyebrow frame), tramp (flesh colored base with 5’o clock shadow and life like eyes, and whiteface ( usually close to the Pierrot or harlequin tradition).
Each face is carefully designed, made child friendly and patented. NO OTHER CLOWN’S face can be copied.
This is why Emmett Kelly, Ringling’s most famous tramp clown, didn’t bequeath his face to his son, Emmett Kelly, Jr. There was even litigation over it and senior won the suit to keep his face and character “Woeful Willy” from being used by any other clown.
Clowns are scary. Amateurs tend to make their features especially exaggerated and unrecognizable as human. The paint tends to smear or run, looking definitively creepy and ruined.
My favorite clown is the beautiful and graceful Pierrot.
The ruff color and blousy white costume closely invokes ballet dancers.
The French have always had uniquely beautiful clowns and circuses.
Which is why Cirque du Soleil, although based in Montreal, is wildly popular.
Many of my Ringling colleagues work for them, and one of my Universal Studios Marvel show actors who plays Spiderman just got a gig with them.
It takes serious skill to be a clown and attract, rather than scare children.
Sadly, Ringling’s acclaimed Clown College shut down about nine years ago.
I can understand your own aversion, for me…it was a whole ‘nother life!
BTW, Ringling had it’s own minister, when I was there it was Father Jack…a Catholic priest.
The sweetest, dearest man. I loved him a lot.
His 75th birthday party was such a blast. He was like a little kid he was so happy.
Me and another girl bought him a beautiful new stole at a Riverwalk store in Texas.
Anyway, I liked his services. His sermons were funny as well as inspiring.
And unfortunately he presided over three memorial services while I was there.
Imagine a gig like that, a circus priest!
I have had several run-ins with the good DL Fister. I made copies and posts and comments on my blog. See them here and here and just for fun, here. Bravo on that last one Regan.
Hey DL, WWJD?
Regan,I see Voltaire started this post string, no comparison, but you may have one of my own:
DL is plainly unworthy, despite his own inflated opinion of himself (an opinion shared by, umm, who else exactly?) He prob. got too close to some expended uranium armour during the Gulf War.And remember the “give him no oxygen”…The most irritating thing you can do to people like DL is to ignore them.Chin up dear. Onwards and upwards 🙂
Actually, this kind of behavior may even be a good sign for DL. I just recently witnessed someone who had been wholeheartedly converted to the “ex-gay” cause start to melt down and post increasingly bizarre rants in almost exactly the same manner. It now seems the meltdown was triggered by her whole “ex-gay” house of cards crashing in on her and she’s now flipped back and is denouncing the whole movement for screwing with her head. So, you never know.
I see DL is doing his little victory dance over there on his little website.
Heh heh. We really need to make him the face for the antigay crowd.
I noticed DL’s sad little post today too. He’s completely delusional.
Oh, good heavens. As I suspected, this whole exercise was just to give DL a chance to write about how mistreated he is and how evil gay people are.
I’m tempted to think that this man may actually be evil, seeking constantly to stir up discord and hatred and taking delight in being cruel and nasty to others.
I hope not. I hope the poor man is just very bored or completely delusional.
I’m now going to take my own advice and try not to give him more of my time.
I’ve got too many jobs….
And I feel like I’m transitioning into something else every four years.
For the last nearly four years, I have been working in the Marvel Live! show at Universal Studios Hollywood, playing one of our X-Men duo, Storm. The other character is Wolverine, because as the comic books have always depicted, Storm and Wolverine have physical distinctions easily recognized by fans.
My aerial and other circus skills as well as dancing, got me the gig.
Storm had to be 6 feet tall, with strong physical characterizations. So that just by entering a situation, people will see me and be startled.
Our shows have changed from year to year, some with a bit more fight stunts and running all over, some a bit less.
I love the job, and it’s been great incentive to stay super fit and strong.
For the children we see, especially. Heroes…are a big deal to them after all.
And I have always truly believed in the credo of the X-Men. Cooperation within difference for better understanding.
But sometimes… it’s times like this when nasty people show up to name call and harass, provoked simply by bad temper… I’d like to strike them with a lightning bolt!
A lightening bolt won’t solve anthing, Regan. Either of the other two views expressed would work much better. Either ignore him or appluad him as theater and send other anti-gay folk his comments and links to rub their face in what they’re shoveling.
Actually, he’s kind of starting to remind me of the Steve Carrell character from Anchorman. Maybe next time he shows up here he’ll throw a trident and eat a big red candle.
I was just ruminating a la this thread, my dear Boo.
I would like to take the former AND latter roads. But should I be amused in private?
It’s not nice to laugh at crazy people.
Okay….hopefully to put this all to rest how I feel about this whole episode.
Some serious website examiner people cruised the sites, assessed the situation and their take:
There is a definite one note psychosis going on with this individual.
Pay him no mind. If he’s so inclined to provoke, he’s so far simply revealing his particular brand of emotional immaturity and low emotional IQ.
Thank you one and all for your support and analysis.
DL Foster is a closet fag. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.