I originally wrote this testimony/speech for the press conference at Love Won Out Atlanta, and realizing it was pretty good I figured I should show the world. Here’s my story:
Huge thanks to Eteban for shooting this.
Transcript after the jump
As requested, a transcript of the video for those who are hearing impaired (Thanks to Jim Burroway for transcribing this):
My name is Daniel Gonzales. I’m a contributing author with the web site Ex-Gay Watch.com, and I’m also a former patient of ex-gay therapist, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi.
Dr. Nicolosi is the founder and former president of NARTH, that’s the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality.
I grew up in the Baptist church, going to youth group. Really, I didn’t have a whole lot of exposure to gay people – really just two. One was the HIV-positive gay man that spoke to my high school health class. And two, one of my next door neighbors, who was clearly struggling to reconcile his faith and sexuality, attempted suicide by lighting himself on fire.
I really finally reached the point where I kind of realized my sexuality was something that was not going to take care of itself when I went off to college. And at that point I was still believing sort of the two biggest lies that drive people into ex-gay therapy, and that is 1) that you cannot be gay and Christian, and 2) that being gay is not a viable or fulfilling way to live your life. And I really believe that if someone chooses, … that if someone buys those two lies then they will have no choice but to pretty much believe anything that an ex-gay group tells them.
A real common question I get is why I went with the therapeutic approach with Dr. Nicolosi instead of a faith-based approach with Exodus. Growing up like so many gay youth with a religious upbringing, I spent countless occasions in prayer begging the Lord to make me straight. And he never did. And so I felt as though I had tried my faith and it had never produced results. And that’s why I went with therapy because that was something I hadn’t done up until that point.
Dr. Nicolosi practices what’s called “reparative therapy”. He actually wrote the book on reparative therapy. The basic idea behind that is that your own sense of masculinity is somehow broken, and you try to make up for that deficiency by being attracted to people who represent the things that you feel you’re lacking. And part of that therapy is that you take those attractions when you have them and you try to figure out what they represent about yourself that you’re somehow lacking.
And you take it and you analyze it and you twist it and you obsess over it until you convince yourself that it doesn’t matter and you push it aside. And that’s just not something that I could keep doing for the rest of my life.
What I learned about “change” is that you can change your behavior, and you can change how you perceive yourself and how you perceive the world, but you can’t change your sexual orientation.
Simply put: Ex-gay therapy is just an elaborate attempt to convince yourself that your same-sex attractions are something other than what they actually are, that they have some other meaning.
To quote an exchange ex-gay survivor Peterson Toscano had with his father from the documentary Fish Can’t Fly:
So my Dad says to me, “Son, you did your best. Besides, you can’t make a fish fly.” And Dad’s right. You can’t make a fish fly. But you could chuck a fish across the room, and for a few fleeting moments, it really believes it’s flying – until it smashes its head against the wall.
What did ex-gay therapy accomplish? In the end… well I was in therapy for about a year and a half. And it was at least another year before I wanted anything to do with gay people – so two and a half more years of repression. And my insurance didn’t cover the therapy so that was all out of pocket – thousands of dollars.
But most tragic was the loss of my faith. For so many people – gay people – who grew up as religious people, their faith is just a part of themselves that is so painful that they can’t allow it to continue to be a part of themselves. They have to purge themselves of it in order to move on.
And groups like Exodus really just want to bring people closer to God (and turn them straight obviously). But the sad thing is that in my case and so many people like me, the exact opposite ends up happening.
Thank God.
Thank You.
Great job, Dan. I look forward to sharing this resource with others.
Thank you for sharing your video, and your site with us all.
Thanks, Daniel, for sharing this. I was a participant in Exodus for 5 years and sought professional sex counseling for 1.5 years. I resonate with your experience, and I’m sad that you or I or anyone else has ever had to go through such an experience. Thanks for speaking out; I have a lot of hope that your testimony, along with the work of this website and others will eventually bring an end to ex-gay therapy.
Awesome Daniel, thank you!
Nice job, Daniel. Our stories are powerful things indeed.
Dear Daniel,
I was troubled to hear you say that God didn’t make you straight. God didn’t make you Baptist or Gay or anything else either. It is foolish to think that God is up there pulling all our strings. We don’t blame God for making us rich or happy, but we sure like to pound on him when we don’t like something about our lives. Here’s my point. I don’t have any anger towards you or hatred. I am a christian who attends a baptist church also. I don’t have any love lost for the Baptist Association either, but I do have love for my Lord. I would challenge you to ask the Lord more about your walk with Him instead of wasting time asking Him what sex partner you should have. I don’t know anything about genetics or pre-disposition of gender or any of that. I only know that the Lord died for mine and your sins. God Himself wrote the Bible. Everything in the Bible is true. The Bible teaches against Homosexual behavior. If you can find a passage in the Bible defending the rights of same sex marriage or homosexuality then by all means post it on your homepage. I found your site while doing another search for Tupelo and saw what you wrote about Mr. Wildemon. I don’t know him personally, so I can’t tell you if he is prejudice or not. I can only tell you that I am not, but what you said troubles me. I pray that you will seek council with the Lord on this issue and if indeed you are a christian and have confessed all sins to him and are on praying ground with the Lord. I believe that He will then answer your prayers. Please understand again, I don’t mean this as an attack on your person or your character. I am simply another christian who read your statements and was troubled and concerned for your soul. I pray that God will be with you and you will find the answers He will provide.
His grace is sufficient,
Jeff McDaniel
Jeff,
Thank you for sharing your concern. But I too have concern about your perspective.
While I agree that everything in the Bible is true, I don’t think everything in the Bible is literal. Often things that were assumed to be “true” because they were supported by Scripture turned out to be figurative. In other words, it was the principle that mattered, not the details.
While you think God is not obsessed with my “sex partner”, and I agree, I do think that the principle of a help-meet is one He established. Yet it is the details about genitalia that we humans all obsess about.
And while I think God has established the principle of loving your neighbor as yourself, it is the details about whether to allow your neighbor to have the same marriage rights as yourself that we humans all obsess about.
I wish you well in your prayer and hope that God guides you to a greater understanding of Him, one that focuses more on God and less on specific scriptures that you think condemns your neighbor.
God bless you,
Timothy
Phooey. Since online video and all this YouTube stuff started my frustration meter has been taking hits.
I’m deaf. I’m interested in ALL of these XGW stories and issues. There ought to be some way to sure this stuff with deaf people.
Ray,
I think that Daniel thought about what he was going to say before he filmed, and there is probably a script that he could probably share with you.
By the way Daniel, I liked the video and I think that you did a good job communicating both your experience and your feelings about that experience.
John
Thanks Daniel for such a sincere and candid look into your life. What you said toward the end, about having to lose your faith, is something I have found almost universally true. That struggle literally killed me but God finally got me through it with my faith in Him intact.
I have to believe that most ex-gay ministries do not realize how detrimental their efforts are to the faith of those they target. They comfort themselves with the belief that “God made the rules, we are only obeying them” or something to that effect. In the end, they create animosity toward God and leave many lives in spiritual ruin. It’s very sad.
How do we make them understand?
Daniel, that was a powerful and moving video. Thanks for sharing it.
Daniel,
That was beautiful, and terribly sad. I believe the greatest damage done by ex-gay ministries comes from their efforts to stand between gay men and women and God and try to refuse access. Unwilling to let God talk to hearts and convict if He so wishes, they insist instead on proclaiming a “truth” – and pushing for man’s hand to enforce it.
I am convinced that God requires of those who speak in His name that they do so with great caution and humility. And I cannot help but believe that those who use the name of God to drive his gay children from Him will be judged most harshly.
Daniel – The problem was probably that you didn’t do the double loop.
I have heard of Exodus, the organization that preports to “turning away” of homosexual individuals. I have never believed in this organization, because what God has made in human being is no mistake. It is only those who want to make the lifestyle a mistake because they think they have something to gain.
The blame, shame game does not work, because none of has to answer to the dull repetitive works of man. It is only God we answer to, and ultimately He will be our judge. If we live for no one else, don’t follow a whim, a fascination of an organizaton called Exodus. Because in the end, each individual there, must also face their own demons. The demon of denial of self, and what was “turning away” from, becomes a nightmare of a journey back to the orginal self. When we allow people, places and things, to control us, we are no longer true to ourselves, because we have given up on our true measure of personhood.
Let us come back to being who we are, Gay, Lesbian, proud, loved by God almighty. Candy
Daniel, my brother…would believe words would fail me after that, because of a lump in my throat?
I love you.
Daniel, thank you and Jim so very much for providing the transcript of your video. As I explained, I am deaf and the videos that appear on the Internet are usually a mystery to me. So I thank you both from the bottom of my heart for supplying this transcription. It makes me feel a little bit less lost when I’m trying to understand the context of a conversation.
Excellent Daniel!
I opted out of the ex-gay programs when i realized that they could not come up with a coherent or agreed upon cause for my GID. Either it was my mother, my father, God, the devil, me or chester the molester that must have caused it. Heaven forbid they consider biology or science, or even what works. It was like the blind men and the elephant: an elephant must be like a rope (tail), a wall (side), a snake (trunk), or a tree (leg). They were unwilling to say an elephant is like an elephant! AND, their “cure” was entirely dependent on finding the right “cause” so they could pick the specific “silver bullet” to slay the beast.
I dared not entrust my sanity and serenity to such a confused agenda driven bunch of fools.
Daniel,
Thanks so much for sharing. I, too, went the reparative therapy route spending 7 years of my life and untold thousands of dollars trying to find a ‘cure’. At the end of my experience I finally came to understand that all of my prayers for a ‘cure’ were not going unanswered but, rather, that God was answering my pleas with a “No.” Why would a loving God who called his creation “Good” need to change that which was “good”? I do not know why I am homosexual and I do not think it is even an issue for me anymore. It simply is. The greater issue is the damage being done to so many by telling them they are “damaged” and that they can be cured. Ultimately, when the cure fails to materialize we begin to think there MUST be something else wrong with us (e.g., our faith is not strong, we’re not good Christians, etc.). Inevitably, we [I] feel abandoned by the all-loving God in whom we have placed our trust. If we are honest with ourselves [as I feel Christianity compels us to be] we put aside the lies and deceptions we’ve been told and step into the freedom that Christianity promises. And my only response to that overwhelming grace is ‘thanks be to God.’
And, additionally, thank you for the work you do and the encouragement you provide to so many.
Dear Dan,
Thank you for sharing this video. I saw it on Box Turtle Bulletin. I am sharing it with my colleagues at Brite Divinity School in Fort Worth, TX, where I teach theology.
Great work.
Steve Sprinkle
Daniel,
That was simply awesome. I can see that you are a fine young man with a great future ahead of you. BTW, I am heterosexual, a Christian, and probably old enough to be your father ( 49 1/2, AARP time soon ). If you were my son, I would be proud of you.
I think your video and transcript captures the essence of the pain that is caused in trying to force someone to be what God has not made them to be.
Until very recently, I was in the “Homosexuality is a Sin” group, though I did not react like it is the “Homosexuality in the Unpardonable Sin” that a lot in the group has migrated to. Unfortunately, I never gave it much thought, because I was not affected by the issue.
However, I have seen over the years a lot of examples of non-heterosexuals showing God’s Love and Fruits of the Holy Spirit.
Sin and Love were not making any since, once I really started thinking about it.
It finally dawned on me, that I was getting the Bible interpreted by the “non-heterosexual is a Sin” group.
So, one the first places I went, was to the Metropolitan Community Church denomination web site and found some resources that interpreted the Bible from the “orientation is not activity” group. These resources really made me think about my view about this subject.
“The Letter to Louise” at https://www.godmademegay.com/ really settled and changed my view. It is written by a retired Baptist minister. The Bible is now so much clearer to me and orientation and love are reconciled by the blood of Jesus.
I have bookmarked this page so that I may share it with those who are struggling with their sexual orientation and with some of those who are starting to question their Biblical interpretation.
May God So Richly Bless You as You have Blessed Us with this sharing of your life.
Wow, thanks for stopping by Rick and for taking the time to share that. I hope you will come back again and participate in the discussion. Daniel is a great guy – the real thing. I learned some things about him myself from that video.
It’s great to hear from someone who “gets it” and thankfully that is happening more and more lately. There is hope!
Very powerful.
God loves you so much and you know that. He loves us in a way we cannot comprehend, He gave his only son to died in our place for our sins.
Like you I prayed and begged to God to take away those homosexual desires away from me.
When I did not have the answer in my frustration or disobedience I left my church, friends, family, and country to find out. I went to a gay church and had a partner for more than 4 years. I try to reconcile my gay identity with my christian life but I could not. At some point my relationship with God was almost null.
I cannot understand exactly why I came to have same sex attractions and maybe in this life I never will, but I know that God wants me to be close to him and do things that are pleasant to Him.
Unlike you I have not been in any ex gay groups or therapy of any kind, although the answer was right there in front of my nose. The healing power of the holy spirit can help you. That is what is called Sanctification. I cannot say I will stop having same sex attractions or even I become heterosexual, all I know in my heart through God’s words is that He does not want me to have homosexual relations.
I laid it down to His feet.
Again, God loves you and he will be looking after you all the time no matter what.
Dearest Dan.
I absolutly agree with your stance you gave it your best and you found out you can’t change how you were made.
God loves you as much as you love him.
God will never turn away from you. I think all he wants is us to believe in him, which is exactly what I do.
Bibles have been written and re written many times so I wouldn’t be suprised if there were not a few added words by the writer to put the fear of God into us.
I don’t fear God for God is love.
Well done for you. Well done.