In Wednesday’s Focus on the Family broadcast (03/01/06) Vice President Bill Maier claims links between protests at Love Won Out and unknown vandals who threw eggs at the host church a week prior. Absolutely no evidence exists the egg-throwers were gay, or activists, but Maier states it as fact:
It’s all about compassion and hope and understanding and actually there’s a very effective challenge to the church to be more understanding on this issue. One of the things that Tom [Minnery] didn’t mention is that the church that was hosting this event was egged, it was vandalized. Some gay activists came by a couple days before the conference and threw eggs at the entrance. And yet this pastor, Gene Monez went outside to the two or three hundred protesters, set up a porta-potty for them, served them coffee, gave them sandwiches and engaged with them in dialogue, that is what Christianity is all about.
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Christianity is all about what Bill?
Making unproven allegations?
Slandering the peaceful protesters outside by implying they are the same people who threw eggs?
Bill has no evidence the egg-throwers were gay and I’m not sure how he knows they’re “activists” unless Bill considers the act of petty vandalism a form of activism.
Not any alligation, but a working theory. Maybe the ex-gays threw the eggs themselves, just so they could blame the gay people. It isn’t really that out of their line. Considering the other lis they have knowningly told about gays, why not create public ones.
I think they did it, just so they could blame us. Same with the billboard.
Ever heard the term, “thou protesteth too much?” Well, I think it’s obvious given the hate homosexuals like to spew towards Christians. Tsk.
No Stacy, not all Christians. I know some quite nice ones.You are probably thinking of those Christians who use a foul mouth to spit vile and false invective at their fellow citizens, or who act to hurt them.But that would be you Stacy. Would you like everyone to read a list of all the ways you have described gay men and women on your site?Telling someone to mind their own business or showing up the ways they are lying is not hatred. It isn’t on Planet Earth, that is.
Even if they did discover some activists misbehaved, how does that alter anything? You can find poor behavior on any side of a major issue. Fred Phelps does not represent most Christians, and I think most who believe homosexuality is immoral would disagree with his tactics. The same distinction should be made for pro-gay activists. While there is a time to discuss the misdeeds, people tend to use them to avoid discussing the real issues involved or to demonize their opponents as a whole.
Yeah, they are saying ‘activist’ these days like it’s a bad thing.
And you’re right, there is no one to identify, there is no way of knowing.
Period.
I would question why they assume gay activists and see what excuses they come up with.
The egg could have been anyone, but I daresay the style is that of a young kid, ergo local, and isn’t very creative, so could well be your average heterosexual juvenile troublemaker such as the sort that hung out at the rally trying to start fights and intimidate women with words that polite people don’t say in public.
Well, now that I’ve seen what certain ministers will do to stir up people when they don’t feel they have enough attention….
I wouldn’t put this vandal action past LWO.
There’s this attention getting quality all ministers have. A common need for showbiz flair.
Some are more flamboyant than others, obviously.
But jumping up and down blog tantrums are something else again.
I still think those billboard (or church) attacks are far, far more tolerable…than an attack on the identity and mental growth process of a flesh and blood gay teenager.
Those who don’t want their religious identity attacked, shouldn’t attack someone else’s identity, whatever it is.
Goes back to the basic law of treating others as you want to be treated.
LWO hasn’t learned that lesson.
Stacy L. Harp at March 3, 2006 08:29 AM
“Ever heard the term, “thou protesteth too much?” Well, I think it’s obvious given the hate homosexuals like to spew towards Christians. Tsk.”
Nope, Stacy, I never heard that one. What I heard was from Hamlet: “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.”
Which, ironically, is more accurate to this situation.
WOW, I glanced at her site and that Stacy is certainly obsessed isn’t she.
Off topic- there is a bill pending before the Missouri State Legislature to make Christianity the official state religion:
https://www.kmov.com/topstories/stories/030206ccklrKmovreligionbill.7d361c3f.html
Heard that there were over 1,700 attendees at the St. Louis event.
1700 attendees at $50 a pop.
That’s a cool $85,000 in Exodus’ pocket.
Plus all the book sales, concessions, plush toys, fun hats and foam accusing fingers to point at the sinners.
It was a regular “Lord-a-palooza”.
Timothy, Stacy does us a service on her website. Just click on it to find out what is going on in the anti-gay world! Sort of a one-stop shopping concept, “Today in the World of Homophobia.”
No more bothersome Googling, etc.
I was pelted with eggs at one of the earliest Gay Pride parades in Los Angeles (on Hollywood Blvd. back in the ’70s). They were thrown by a group of Christian protestors — positively identified as such by their picket signs. Every year, the number of egg throwers would decrease until by the late ’80s all that was left was a sorry little band of about 15 surrounded by a protective buffer of Sheriffs Deputies (on Santa Monica Blvd. by then).
activist:a doctrine or practice that especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue.
well I would call egg throwing a sign activism, no matter if it was proven or not if it was the same protesters outside the conference. It emphasizes direct vigorous action of opposition to one side of a controversial issue. So bill didn’t lie, it certainly was activism.
Oops! I meant to end with a more relevant Shakespeare quote…
“The villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.”
— The Merchant of Venice
Great Peter.
So I can call every junior high student who goes out on 10/31 with a carton of grade A eggs and “anti-Halloween activist”.
Thanks for the tip.
peter at March 3, 2006 06:28 PM
“So bill didn’t lie, it certainly was activism”
Actually, he said it was “gay activists”. peter, do you have better knowledge as to the sexual orientation of the unknown egg throwers?
For all we know they may have been opposed to the church’s teaching on papal authority. Perhaps they were Catholic activists.
Or perhaps they disapproved of the church’s position on race. Maybe they were white supremist activists.
Or maybe the church was a random target.
Although it is not unlikely that the egg throwers were gay, we really have no idea whatsoever. To make this unsubstantiated claim and then try to prove some point by it shows an unhealthy disregard for truth.
But, then again, anti-gay activists seldom demonstrate any desire to hold to the truth. I hope that here at XGW we give honesty a little more importance.
“So I can call every junior high student who goes out on 10/31 with a carton of grade A eggs and “anti-Halloween activist”.”
-He wouldn’t be a halloween activist, he would be an activist against the person he throws eggs at. He just chose to do it on halloween.
“Actually, he said it was “gay activists”.”
-I was more referring to dan’s article when he said “Absolutely no evidence exists the egg-throwers were gay, or activists.” OR being the key word, I was addressing the activist part, they were certainly activists against something.
Christianity is all about what Bill?
Making unproven allegations?
Slandering the peaceful protesters outside by implying they are the same people who threw eggs?No, no, it’s all about free porta-potties! 🙂
“The reason I’m not a Christian, is that I’ve met a few of them”.
Mark Twain
I just looked at her blog. She’s obsessed. I wonder what event in her pathetic life twisted her mind this way?
I wish I could feel sorry for her. But I don’t.
Why isn’t this egg-thrower a kid who is a “don’t make me waste my time in Sunday School when I would rather sleep in or play Xbox games” activist?