Recently, I wrote a piece on Mike Ensley’s take on gender fluidity. He responded in his personal blog with an article entitled What do I know about gender? In the article he states:
…I can see how in a different circumstance (different city, family, influences) I might have gone down the road of transgenderism. A lot of people have backgrounds similar to mine, but didn’t end up struggling with same-sex attractions like I have. We’re all different and broken in different ways–but we can still understand one another.
Furthermore, transgenderism represents to me one of the biggest loopholes in the new sexual ethic of our society. We’re told gays can’t and/or shouldn’t change because people are supposedly born gay, but then the T segment of the LGBT community is encouraged to do everything–therapy, drugs, surgery–to change the way they truly were born.
Anywho; I could get into the whole why-I-believe-in-male-and-female thing, but that’s a whole new post.
The piece as a whole is an outpouring of how he believes he could of ended up transgender — it reads as another Argument from Spurious Similarity. But beyond that, he seems to indicate a belief in sex dichotomy determined by biological forces.
Ensley’s faith in a two-sex dichotomy is shared with other religious conservatives. As a recent example, Sonja Dalton on the Americans For Truth about Homosexuals website responded to the San Francisco Chronicle’s Shaking up transgender assumptions with her piece Shaking Up Gender Assumptions — Destroying Teenagers.
Dalton makes a statement in her short commentary that appears to verify what appears to be her conservative Christian model — there is only one way to be female and one way to be male:
“Real women” have two X chromosomes, and they do not have a male sex organ.
My personal goals don’t include tearing down male and female social constructs. Being a transsexual, I put faith in the differences of gender — I buy into the female construct because I identify as female.
However, I can believe — and should believe based on the evidence — that there more ways to be biologically sexed than XX – male and XY – female. Eric Vilain, (Ph.D., chief of medical genetics at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA) seems to agree in a piece he wrote for the Los Angeles Times:
Sex should be easily definable, but it’s not. Our gender identity our profound sense of being male or female is independent from our anatomy.
When thinking about the belief systems of religious conservatives like Ensley and Dalton, we need to ask what exactly makes a man a man and a woman a woman. Is it genitalia? Is it genetics? Or can it be arbitrary — is a person’s sex what the gender marker says it is on a person’s birth certificate? The vast majority of people fit into the standard biological dichotomy of male and female, but defining all people as either biologically male or female is equivalent to saying all people are heterosexual. While it’s true that the vast majority of people are heterosexual, it’s not true that all are heterosexual.
Dr. Vilain, in the previously referenced Los Angeles Times article, gives a history of the difficultly one can experience trying to rigidly define male and female based on biology:
Let’s take testicles as a defining characteristic of a man. Are individuals with only one testis “real” men? The “two-testicles rule” would disqualify about 3% of male newborns a year about 4.5 million Americans total……If conventional wisdom cannot easily define men and women by just a simple look at the private parts, science should help us distinguish between the sexes. Since 1921, we have known that women have two X chromosomes and men an X and a Y chromosome. This is the fundamental genetic distinction between men and women.
But still, it’s been difficult to find clear-cut answers. Olympic Games officials have struggled with the science of “sexing” individuals for many years often after high-profile cases of gender confusion. In the 1936 Olympics in Berlin, U.S. runner Helen Stephens beat Polish runner Stella Walsh in the 100-meter sprint, winning a gold medal and breaking Walsh’s 1932 record. The Polish press falsely accused Stephens of being a man. Ironically, after Walsh was killed during a 1980 robbery, her autopsy revealed male genitals. Decades later, Erica Schinegger, who won the women’s downhill skiing world title for Austria in 1966, was two years later found to be chromosomally male and, as such, disqualified for the Olympics. Her case forced the International Olympic Committee to require all athletes to take a test counting the number of X chromosomes.
In 1990, scientists learned that a gene called SRY on the Y chromosome is what makes fetuses become boys and not girls. In 1992, the Olympic test was perfected to detect the presence of the SRY gene.
But even that was insufficient. Any genetics expert knows that there are exceptions to the chromosome rules. There are females with a Y chromosome; there are males with no SRY gene. At the Sydney Olympics in 2000, the IOC decided to “refrain from performing gender tests,” conceding that no single test provided a complete answer.
Obviously, not all of us are either “classically” male or female either by either genetics or genitalia shape. The Intersex Society of North America estimates that about 1 in 1500 to 1 in 2000 births are of intersex people. As a comparison, the earliest per capita estimate of transsexuals in the general population was that 1 in 37,000 natal males and 1 in 107,000 natal females. The most recent World Professional Association For Transgender Health (WPATH) per capita estimation of transsexuals was from the Netherlands: 1 in 11,900 natal males (male-to-female transsexuals) and 1 in 30,400 natal females (female-to-male transsexuals).
But what is intersex? The Intersex Society of North America addresses what being intersex means:
Intersex is a socially constructed category that reflects real biological variation. To better explain this, we can liken the sex spectrum to the color spectrum. There’s no question that in nature there are different wavelengths that translate into colors most of us see as red, blue, orange, yellow. But the decision to distinguish, say, between orange and red-orange is made only when we need it—like when we’re asking for a particular paint color.
Sometimes social necessity leads us to make color distinctions that otherwise would seem incorrect or irrational, as, for instance, when we call certain people “black” or “white” when they’re not especially black or white as we would otherwise use the terms.In the same way, nature presents us with sex anatomy spectrums. Breasts, penises, clitorises, scrotums, labia, gonads—all of these vary in size and shape and morphology. So-called “sex” chromosomes can vary quite a bit, too. But in human cultures, sex categories get simplified into male, female, and sometimes intersex, in order to simplify social interactions, express what we know and feel, and maintain order.
So nature doesn’t decide where the category of “male” ends and the category of “intersex” begins, or where the category of “intersex” ends and the category of “female” begins. Humans decide. Humans (today, typically doctors) decide how small a penis has to be, or how unusual a combination of parts has to be, before it counts as intersex. Humans decide whether a person with XXY chromosomes or XY chromosomes and androgen insensitivity will count as intersex.
There are many types of intersex conditions. Throughout history, the sex of children was determined by the shape of their genitalia, and the term “hermaphrodite” (now considered a stigmatizing term by most intersexed people) was used to describe people with ambiguous genitalia. With the study of genetics, we now understand many intersex conditions have genetic components. And, along with this scientific understanding and the slow fading of taboos, intersexuals have begun to advocate for systemic changes — changes to end the secrecy around intersex conditions, and work for ending the unwanted genital surgeries for people born with an anatomy that someone decided is not standard for male or female.
I’ve had ongoing email communications with two intersexuals who have Mosaic Turner Syndrome. Intersex people with mosaic genetic patterns may have cells that have XX chromosomes and others that have XY chromosomes –or have cell patterns such as XO/XX, XX/XY, XXX/XX, XO/XX/XXX and XY/XO.
And, though I haven’t talked to anyone with Klinefelter Syndrome, there are people that have chromosomal patterns of XYY, XXX, XXXY, XXYY, XXXXY and XXXYY.
So, going back to gender identity as defined by Dalton, how would one determine the God-given gender identity of people who don’t fit into the XX and XY sex dichotomy — such as those with Turner’s or Klinefelter’s syndrome?
Whereas transsexuals are perhaps an esoteric indication mind and body don’t always match, intersexuals are a tangible indication bodies don’t always align with the classic, dichotomized sex schema.
What we’re left with when sex and gender isn’t easily determined is arbitrary determinations. This isn’t something religious conservatives who embrace rigid sex and gender roles acknowledge. As an example of how an arbitrarily sex can be assigned, Virginia Attorney General Bob McDonnell’s spokesperson (Tucker Martin), during debate of the recently approved marriage initiative in Virginia, discussed infant sexing and sex markers on birth certificates with the Daily Press:
Whatever sex is recorded on a child’s birth certificate is that person’s legal sex for the rest of his or her life, under state law, Martin said.
If the sex is ambiguous or indeterminate, the parents – in consultation with the doctor – decides what sex is recorded on the birth certificate. “The state has no say there,” Martin said.
What we read of what Ensley and Dalton have to say on the subject of sex and gender leaves unanswered the question of what they believe the God-given sex or identity of intersexuals are. If one is going to evaluate sex and gender from a Christian perspective, perhaps what they should be considering is Christ’s statement in Matthew 19:12:
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.
As a transgender person, I have wondered about sex and gender in relationship to God. If God created intersexuals that aren’t physically or chromosomally male or female in the traditional sense, could he have also created individuals whose brains are cross-gender identified from their bodies? I tend to think so.
But, I wouldn’t call that scientificly and scripturally-based opinion of mine gospel. It’s not an opinion that others should readily embrace just because I embrace it. I’m not a scientist and I’m not a theologian — what I am though is well-read enough on the subject to drawn a reasonable conclusion for myself, based on currently available information.
I do know that from a scientific perspective; however, believing in a rigid sex and gender dichotomy is illogical. All one needs to do is look at the scientific documentation — observations of genitalia and sex genes — to know belief in a rigid sex and gender dichotomy isn’t tenable. Intersexuals are rare; per capita they are perhaps significantly more rare than gays and lesbians, but perhaps less significantly rare than transsexuals — but intersexuals are tangible people in the real world. One can’t deny or ignore the existance of intersexuals when forming belief systems on sex and gender.
Frankly, I’m looking forward to reading what Ensley may say in the future about “the whole why-I-believe-in-male-and-female thing” — I’m wondering how he’s going to incorporate intersexuals and the scriptural references to eunuchs into his belief system.
Here’s some thoughts for Ensley and others: Historically, the Catholic Church had teaching on intersexuals indicating that those with two sets of fully functional genitalia could have relations with either sex, but those with less than fully functioning genitalia were required to be celibate.* Is this the current view of Ensley and his peers? Or, does Ensley’s belief in the “male-and-female thing” mean intersexuals should just go with their personally selected or arbitrarily determined gender identity when picking their opposite sex sexual partners? Or, does he just believe all intersexuals should just remain celibate because God didn’t give them clearly defined male or female sex physicality or the standard genetic XX or XY structures?
And beyond intersexuals themselves would be broader questions for Ensley and Dalton (and perhaps others in ex-gay or ex-gay affirming organizations): Are intersexuals the only exceptions to God’s standard sex and gender schema — the Ensley “male-and-female thing”? Could God also embrace that the gender identities of transsexuals aren’t sinful? Could God also embrace that the same-sex relationships of gays and lesbians aren’t sinful?
Who gets to define for the body of Christ God’s sex and gender schema and its exceptions, and the rules associated with the sex and gender schema and its exceptions? Coral Ridge Ministries? Exodus International? Focus On The Family? NARTH? Americans For Truth About Homosexuality?
These questions would all seem to me to be interesting questions for all LGBTQI and ex-gay Christians.
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*John Boswell’s Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality (Appendix Two) has a translation of Peter Cantor‘s De vitio sodomitico — or On Sodomy (d. 1192 AD). Here’s the excerpt on hermaphrodites (or as we’d call them now, intersexuals):
The Lord formed man from the slime of the earth on the plan of Damascus, later fashioning woman from his rib in Eden. Thus in considering the formation of woman, lest any should believe they would be hermaphrodites, he stated, “Male and female created he them,” as if to say, “There will not be intercourse of men with men or women with women, but only of men with women and vice versa.” For this reason the church allows a hermaphrodite — that is, someone with the organs of both sexes, capable of either active or passive functions — to use the organ by which (s)he is most aroused or the one which (s)he is more susceptible.
If (s)he is more active [literally, “lustful], (s)he may wed as a man, but if (s)he is more passive, (s)he may marry as a woman. If; however, (s)he should fail with one organ, the use of the other can never be permitted, but (s)he must be perpetually celibate to avoid any similarity to the role inversion of sodomy, which is detested by God.
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Further reading:
– Genetics for Theologians, Roberta M. Meehan, Ph.D.
– Gender Blender: Intersexual? Transsexual? Male, female aren’t so easy to define by Eric Vilain, Ph.D.
– Who defines ‘man’ and ‘woman’? by John M.R. Bull
What is particularly galling to me, aside from the criminal over-simplification that they willfully engage in is the motives they ascribe to the transgendered. At best we are dangerously sick self-mutilating psychotics. At worst we are sybaritic servants of Satan, bent on destroying all gender norms; and despite the obvious illogic, perverts who are pulling one over on society in a perpetually aroused and paraphillic state.
The condesension, fear, and hatred is palpable. Really, they would just like to round us all up and either forcibly change us to suit THEIR fantasy of who we are, or else eliminate us completely via prison, execution, or warehouse us in an asylum.
To them, we are the ultimate sex-criminals. Why else are transgendered girls beat to death and transgendered boyz raped and killed when “discovered.
There is also an air of patriarchal control about the prism they view us through.
I sort of feel sorry for Mike Ensley. He wrote an essay on the “Live out loud” Exodus blog Feb 1, 2007 admitting that he still gay(although he would say same sex attracted) and struggling with that. For Exodus, I thought that it was great that one of their own admitted he is still gay (or same sex attracted). But in order to make up for that hint of honesty, he has to mouth off on a subject that he is obviously not very knowledgeable about. It’s a shame. One step forward and two steps back.
Most of what was written about transsexuals or transgenders like us are written by nontransgenders or ex-transsexuals like Jerry Leach (anyway by his testimony, he sounds more like a sexed up transvestite to me).
There is no dialogue with us. So how are they going to understand what we are going through in our hearts, minds and souls when they ask questions among the norm of the conservative Christian society? They should be asking us questions. And I know most of us would gladly give them answers.
I would not even comment about Mike Ensley. Christianity had always been struggling to reconcile with the real world, especially when facts of the world and all its reality is dramatically larger than 66 books could ever contain.
I believe our very own beings are already proof of our existence. Ensley talks about us being ‘confused’, and then went on talking about his wish to be a girl in the past as if to relate to us.
But Ensley definitely do not know us as much as we know ourselves, and we are definitely true to who we are. We do not repair our masculinity; most of us only simulate masculine behaviour. We instead reconcile with our femininity in the end.
There is a huge difference between the longing to be Wonder Woman as a boy while further rationalizing it as wrong, and wanting to lose an abnormal thingy that is not supposed to be between the legs as a girl because it is the right thing to do.
Ensley seems really seriously confused, and very happy in his confusion. My concern is that he is sharing his confusion among the youths. That would breed further labelling, as if we are not tired of the boxes we are placed into already.
Wait, he is comparing “change” for people with same-sex attractions to change for transgender people–isn’t that like comparing apples and eggplants?
yukichoe said:
Ensley seems really seriously confused, and very happy in his confusion. My concern is that he is sharing his confusion among the youths. That would breed further labelling, as if we are not tired of the boxes we are placed into already.
Simply put, this is one of the major reasons for our work.
I came to know an XXY phenotypic female via the Internet, she was quite a lady, and bisexual. While she wasn’t a Klinefelters male she did have other problem due to her genetic makeup and recently died short of her 49th year. She had been a psychologist and had counselled some transexuals. And she was an advocate for the all the ‘queer sexualities.’
Then just after her death I got to know, again through the Internet, a rather remarkable young woman who had hormonal problems which led to many a physical problem and also an intersex situation, which though a problem was less of one than the birth defects with which she has gallantly overcome. Still she has had to go though several operations to correct the physical expression of her sexual being as a woman.
Ensley would seem to care to forget such people. The later young lady is a devout Christian, who studies Greek and Hebrew and the Scriptures. Ensley would rather that she had remained in her more ‘masculine’ form, even though in her mind she was a woman and most heterosexual at that. Here again she is also an advocate for the ‘queer sexualities.’
For these two who have had to weather so much in their lives, their experience has taught them that sexuality is a state of their mind which genes, hormones, and/or body need not follow in lock-step. And thus for both, their tolerance of the fluidity of sexuality in others is a neccessity created of their own situations. It would seem that the human race has much to learn, especially in listening to those of its members whose struggle in life has not been one which is of the ‘norm’ which Christians would like all to be.
‘Cause we aren’t.
I just read the Mike Ensley blog post John referred to above (Exodus’ Live Out Loud Blog). It’s really a sad description of someone dealing with the fact that change DOESN”T happen, while still trying to make it happen by trying harder.
In light of what’s been written here, though, including Peterson’s remark, it’s ironic that part of Ensley’s post is titled “Stop Making Unfair Comparisons.” His lack of understanding re: transgenderism certainly doesn’t help Exodus’ credibility.
Excellent posts people. Yukichoe is right, Ensley is talking about you, without you.
And he’s furthering the information of those who got it secondhand from straight people.
The most important source of experience and evidence, is being denied entry into the discussion, and disbelieved altogether.
I don’t understand this AT ALL.
Religious texts cannot reconcile with a lot our current human growth and understanding allows now.
And it never did, we’d have held ourselves back as a race, instead of moved forward.
I do not understand this lack of willingness for progress in this area of gender and sexual orientation.
This is an issue with which moral comparisons can be made, and accuracy is possible.
These discussion DEMAND ethical openess and respectable treatment, BECAUSE a religious person is obligated (especially one that claims certain expertise) to allow the truth to be revealed with all information on the table, and restriction of none.
I don’t think it’s too much to ask when lives, flesh and blood is at stake.
This ilk is still trying to have a theorectical discussion, instead of one based on facts and evidence to build it on.
This is ridiculous.
This shackles the quality in which to explore everything.
I resent it.
I am a heterosexual person looking hard for those willing to discuss the lives of the LGBT with the understanding that prejudice revealed is and can be a good thing if the common goal IS the truth and understanding.
I don’t see anything good coming from this practice of separate discussions. False or misinformation isn’t even ethical, let alone allowable given what damage it can cause.
There is a pattern here. It’s not brave to have a discussion of a group without the group being able to join in.
It’s not ethical to discuss this group in broad and stereotypical forms that are detrimental, while at the same time claiming unearned expertise.
In any other framework concering psychiatric and medical issues around a GROUP, no non clinical expert would get away with such statements, that are at best, anecdotal.
So, should our challenge be against the unethical manner in which the LGBT are discussed without their participation or full employment of all information available?
I think we can safely say it IS unethical…since the transgendered and gay suffer and difference of treatment in society that isn’t warranted and stems from information such as Ensley provides.
Sure he could have ended up transgendered had he been in different circumstance. And he lists “city” as one of those circumstances. Perhaps he will enlighten us as to which cities he had in mind. Is Detroit more likely to produce transgendered people than Akron? Or is it the other way around. I can hardly wait to find out.
Andrew Sullivan (www.andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com)
Received a letter from a Catholic nun, regarding the play The Vagina Monologues and women’s sexuality.
A few years ago, I was invited by two transgender friends to a special performance of The V Monologues that featured new material written by Eve Ensler to reflect the transgender experience.
And all the cast members were male to female transgender.
It was a remarkable thing to witness.
But the sister reflects also on what I have mentioned here…and to several men of the cloth who have represented Catholics, Jews and Protestants.
That women’s bodies offend the most religious among us. Women’s body parts and their functions have been a matter of revulsion, if not control for centuries.
And men are brutal to women who are the most separated from them and unused to self determined and fully self accepting women.
It is better to cover and commit women to all the definition of a shadow, than a real live person.
I think to, the excision of homosexuality from legitimate experience as a leavening feature to male and female sexuality is a huge mistake maintained by religious communities.
The question remains, why are women and homosexual people the most exploited, violated and repressed on the planet?
Those with the most objection to gay sex, complain about the natural parts of men and women and their fit.
Reducing the act itself, regardless of participants, to something mechanical.
But there are also SPIRITUAL fits. Intellectual fits, and emotional fits.
And this is where the straight and gay are most perfect.
Two men together, two women, or a man and woman, ALL fit.
Each in their own purpose to each other when all are accepted.
We, in spite of what the most influential texts say, are completely dependent on each other.
The causation of homosexuality might be a mystery.
Because there is no order or prediction where a gay person comes from.
This eludes us, and hopefully always will.
Women mystify men. At least they surely did when people were forming their religious texts more than any other time.
It’s no mystery what we are to do with ourselves together.
But TRUSTING that purpose, and allowing it to it’s full function is another thing and shows the limits of faith, reason, and logic.
And the limits of the writers of that time.
Females and homosexuality are powerful. Two sides to another holy trinity, so to speak.
So far, only one part of it functions and controls everything, not because they are right.
But because they are fearful and unwilling to allow the spiritual talent of females and gay people to show.
So folks…how do we convince these people of what’s really missing?
A nun tells it.
A gay man understands what she says.
Too bad such people aren’t considered to run the Church.
Well, at best all I can say is that the people who criticise the most are those FURTHEST away from being gay or transgendered.
From the moment I opened my eyes and realised that two genders exists I KNEW I had the wrong gender in body and the PERFECT gender in mind.
After 35 years of playing this role of having to be a man, a husband and a father the unhappiness of my mind caused nothing but pain and destruction. Not only to me but to everyone around me.
It sickens me to read of all these “know-hows” as to what causes what and how chromosomes does this that or the other.
I am a woman, born with the wrong genitals and because of all these “we-know-it-alls” I had hell for 35 years.
No more, never again, I am not a transsexual male2female, I am a woman who faced biological differences and managed to raise above it.
I left no enemies, no heart ache, instead I took responsibility for having been born so mixed up. Looked at what makes me HAPPY, yes me and then at how I can mend the broken fences that those “know-it-alls” trapped me in.
IF you want to know all about true transgenderism and in particular transsexualism, speak to ONE who IS and not to one who thinks he/she is or know of one.
Walk in those shoes and then start to think what it must be like.
Thanks God for surgery and treatment else and I pray God eliminates the doom profits and the idiots who fall in the “we-know-it-all” category.
Be who you KNOW you are, be happy
Nikki
Could not have said it better than you at that point Nikki… WE KNOW WHO WE ARE… no fleabags such as Ensley could ever throw out this FACT, because they are really miles away from being girls like us….
Rock on, Nikki…YukiChoe…
It’s your story for YOU to tell.
And I can’t argue with you for the right to tell it!
I am of the mind to learn from it, and thank for the telling.
Now…what I have to do, is advise the other folks to sit down, listen and learn.