Dr. Warren Throckmorton has written an article called “Sexual reorientation therapy clients rate their experience with psychotherapists” in which he discusses the results of a study he enacted to determine what type of therapy is preferred by people wishing to change their sexual orientation.
The premise behind Throckmorton’s study is that some reorientation therapy is harmful and some beneficial. He sought to determine which is which.
He found that people who identify as ex-gay were most appreciative of therapy that condemned a gay or lesbian identity as bad, sick, or inferior, among other practices.
Some excerpts from the article are:
Prior research has sought to determine if people experience benefit or harm from reorientation therapy in a general sense. Those studies have found that some participants feel benefit and some do not.
Dr. Throckmorton’s study focused on 28 people having experiences with 80 therapists and determined what practices were associated with overall ratings of helpfulness.
Ratings of helpfulness were associated with counselors who respected a client’s desire to change, helped clients reflect on factors associated with the emergence of same sex attractions, suggested that same sex attractions do not, of necessity, signal a gay identity, suggested techniques to minimize same sex attractions and enhance opposite sex attractions, suggested increased non-sexual, social contact with peers of the same sex, and who were knowledgeable about gay and lesbian issues. Preferred therapists focused on sexual orientation only when the clients considered it appropriate. Participants in the study did not judge as helpful therapists who were viewed as preferring that clients affirm and declare a gay identity in opposition to client wishes.
Dr. Throckmorton, an ardent activist for ex-gay therapy, provided a link to the pre-released study. In the summary, however, his listed findings were different than those expressed in the article:
Participants preferred counselors who were knowledgeable about gay and lesbian issues, did not over-focus on sexual orientation, helped affirm an ex-gay identity, helped clients examine their development for possible reasons relating to the emergence of same sex attractions, reframed the meaning of the emergence of same sex attraction for identity, and suggested techniques to minimize same sex attractions and enhance opposite sex attractions. They did not judge as helpful counselors who attempted to affirm a gay identity. This is the first study designed to examine the helpfulness of particular therapist practices with clients seeking sexual reorientation.
Though the two descriptions are similar, the actual report summary focuses on identity and redefining words while the one given for public consumption glosses over the identity change aspects and adds some political spin by adding the phrase “in opposition to client wishes”.
THE STUDY
Let’s look as Dr. Throckmorton’s study and see if it tells us anything.
First, Throckmorton in his summary states that “some participants feel benefit and some do not.” However, further reading shows that in any study which was somewhat representative of all clients, the vast majority experienced harm. Even when the studies were performed by ex-gay activists such as Nicolosi and the participants were all Exodus members, still some harm was identified.
If this new study were simply to identify what practices cause harm and those which benefit, it would be useful. It purports to do so. But does it? Does this study address the helpfulness of practices with clients seeking sexual reorientation?
A clue to that answer is found in the following quote from the article:
Most of the participants in the study viewed themselves as having changed their sexual orientation. Seventy percent of the participants who saw themselves as exclusively homosexual prior to therapy rated themselves as either exclusively or predominantly heterosexual at the time of the study.
Since Dr. Throckmorton makes no claim (to date) that 70% of those who seek sexual reorientation – or indeed any ratio even coming close to 70% — change their sexual orientation, this is clearly not a representative study of “clients seeking sexual reorientation”.
THE PARTICIPANTS
The participants, as reported, “had been in reorientation counseling with a professional therapist and currently viewed themselves as having reoriented or as being in the process of reorienting.”
Thus the study is not of the helpfulness of practices with client SEEKING sexual reorientation. This distinction is important because if one is seeking to reduce harmful practices one would have to include both those who succeeded as well as those who did not.
For example, suppose you heard that a large percentage of patients that took a particular drug found that drug to be helpful. That might suggest that the drug should be encouraged. Then suppose you found that the study only included 20% of those who took the drug and the other 80% were killed by the drug. It would change your opinion of the report.
Unfortunately, Throckmorton did not survey a selection of people entering counseling but used a post-therapy sample that was biased to support certain practices.
Next we find that 100% of the participants found religion either “extremely important” (89%) or “important” (11%). This too skews the findings. Obviously, those who are highly religious are going to “find” religion- affirming counseling to be “helpful”.
The convenience sample was derived from calls for participants on ex-gay Internet list servs and discussion groups. Data was collected via a 90 minute phone interview with the first author [Throckmorton].
We can see from this that not only did the participants identify as ex-gay but were also those that most closely associated with this aspect of their identity (just as it could be said that those who participate at exgaywatch or are on HRC’s e-mail list more closely associates with being gay).
Interesting, and corresponding with what has been said on this site, all but one were Caucasian. 54.6% were or had been married, and all had at least a bachelors’ degree.
THE RESULTS
Dr. Throckmorton based part of his questioning on a previous study which researched the more general question of what counseling gay and lesbian people find to be helpful. Not surprisingly, the ex-gay study did not completely correlate to the gay study.
The practices that Throckmorton’s study found to be useful but which gay persons found to be harmful were:
Your therapist indicated that he/she believed that a gay or lesbian identity is bad, sick, or inferior.
Your therapist did not recognize the importance of lesbian and gay relationships and/or did not appropriately support these relationships.
The practice that gay people found helpful but the ex-gays found harmful was:
Your therapist tried to help you feel good about yourself as a gay man or lesbian.
Throckmorton added several new practices and, not surprisingly, they were helpful to the ex-gays. They included
- Looking for the cause of same sex attractions
- Indicating that same-sex attractions doesn’t mean you’re gay
- Strategies to minimize same sex attractions and behavior
- Strategies to enhance heterosexual attractions
- Helping you feel good about identifying as ex-gay
- Encouraging non-sexual friendships with same sex peers
The participants were encouraged to volunteer other practices they found helpful or unhelpful. Interesting selected results include:
- 4 said that dropping gay friends was helpful
- 3 said reading the Bible was helpful
- Only one said that resolving sexual abuse was helpful
- 5 said that rigid gender stereotypes was unhelpful
CONCLUSION
Dr. Throckmorton’s study in not “the first study designed to examine the helpfulness of particular therapist practices with clients seeking sexual reorientation” as it purports to be. However some useful information can be gleaned from the study.
First, participants in ex-gay studies have found that adherence to rigid stereotypes (sports for boys, makeup for girls) don’t benefit them. These practices should be eliminated from reorientation efforts. The possible potential benefits do not seem to be significant and do not justify the risk of harm.
Second, it must be recognized that this sample was biased. Further study must be done to determine whether the practices that were helpful to the “successful” ex-gays (those in this study) but that were also harmful to gay people (those not included in this study) are justified. In other words, does the potential success of the therapy by using these methods outweigh the potential harm?
Obviously, not all persons will agree. Some will believe that ANY success in reorienting a tiny number of persons justifies ANY damage done to a large group of others, no matter how severe (i.e. saving a few souls from hell justifies any amount of damage, pain, destruction and misery caused along the way). Others will believe that ANY harm done to a single person invalidates the practice, no matter how effective to others (i.e. it isn’t needed anyway).
My fear is that this study will be used solely to say that “these practices work” without any thought to the damage they could cause. That would, however, be immoral.
Third, some practices are agreed upon (both helpful and unhelpful) by both gay and ex-gay participants and should be standard for all reorientation therapy.
In conclusion, and Throckmorton appears to agree, the study is inconclusive.
FUTURE WORK
Throckmorton laments that it isn’t easy to find participants for studies of this sort. However, I believe that an after-the-fact study tells you very little, in any case.
It would be valid and useful to find the therapists that do this work (there aren’t many) and the various ex-gay groups (they are networked) and establish an entry questionnaire. This could allow a start point, measure again at a set time (one year, five years, whatever) and give some useful information that can allow those seeking reorientation to know what are their chances of success and also to allow therapists to learn how to maximize the chances of success while minimizing harm.
Further, I think that the only way any such study would be considered credible would be if the criteria, the questions, the protections for confidentiality, the analysis of results, and the reporting was performed by collective effort of parties on both sides of the debate.
Unfortunately, while I think some ex-gay therapists would welcome a thorough study (I will assume this includes Throckmorton) I suspect a great many in the ex-gay community would oppose such a study. I believe that they fear it would conflict with a political or religious agenda.
We’ve handled this earlier at Throckmorton’s blog, if you care to read it.Naturally, given we don’t particularly bother with what people do with their own life but have some firm views about bothering others about their lives… we jumped straight onto the words that addresses the professional ethics.
For the direct question that the therapist indictated to the client a belief that a gay or lesbian identity is “bad, sick, or inferior”, Warren stated that “our participants seemed perplexed as to how to respond.”Yet this seems contradicted by his report that “participants rated therapists who were perceived in this manner as generally helpful. This particular item generated more spontaneous comments and questions from participants than any other item.”Although there is an simple explanation — that the therapists were indeed antigay — Warren has squibbed on the obvious and introduced a red-herring:
While this may be strictly true (we cannot know, as the therapists themselves were not interviewed) it is not the real beliefs of the therapists that are problematic in a therapy session.The question was about what views the therapist passed onto the client, not what the real beliefs of the therapists might be. Warren reports that 36 of the 80 therapists (45%) did indicate that they were antigay to their clients — and it is this behaviour that is clearly and directly instructed by the professional ethics. They are not to do that.(To parallel that report about the therapists, and failing an answer here at XGW, I will email Warren asking for clarification about the % of clients that heard such views from at least one of their therapists. I will also ask about the company that these therapists are keeping eg NARTH).There was also a telling response that directly addresses the fact that there is no coherent evidence-based ex-gay understanding about sexuality (contrary to what is often claimed):
Additional snippets for y’all to consider:
“by grantdale’s definition of “ex-gay or related ministry,” there were 6 people [out of 28] who would qualify.” An earlier response was “[5 of the 28] were deriving some income from [ex-gay ministry]”.”I do not know for certain how many people are still ex-gay.”the average participant saw 2.9 therapists, undertook 138 sessions, and spent 10.6 years ex-gaying themself.And… finally… at US$100 per session those 28 participants each spent US$13,800 on therapists. That’s $1300 per year, each.For this amount those 28 people could have instead fed, clothed and schooled 100 children through to adulthood in a developing country.
Regarding therapists with anti-gay attitudes:
To some therapists feel that homosexuality is bad. Okay, some therapists also feel that pedophilia is good. Therapists are allowed to think what they want…Patients are allowed to think what they want…and if a patient wants to find a therapist with the like mind, what is the big deal? And if the patient is really so stupid that he is unable to figure what it is he really wants out of his life (before seeing the therapist), he deserves to die. If a patient seriously believes that by praying hard enough, he will turn straight, then he is stupid, and deserves to die. Seriously, suicide wouldn’t be a bad thing for such a lost, misguided individual.
Point is, let everyone do what they want, and live or die the way they want.
Cynical and nihilistic? Yes.
Scimitar, I have problem with using “do what they want” and “deserves to die” in the same breath.Actually, I have a problem with “deserves to die” full-stop.
I still do not understand this. If someone doesn’t want to engage in homosex (or heterosex, for that matter) why doesn’t he or she just not? It isn’t rocket science. Just don’t. But don’t bother me because I want to engage in homosex. Who the f–k are these people to tell me what I’m supposed to do, when I’m not injuring anything other than their psychies?
Throckmorton is running a gig at an obscure college. I might be interested in knowing who is sponsoring it.
If they don’t want to engage in homosex, maybe they should just not. It isn’t a mystery. Who are sponsoring people like Throckmorton?
So, Throckmorton got such a small test pool and even then his results are not too conclusive?
Then what was the point in bothering?
If a client is happy, then usually they don’t require any further contact.
Unless Throckmorton WERE using this as a tool and a political one at that.
So I guess the ‘THOUSANDS’ or millions worldwide claimed by Exodus and so on, aren’t a part of this study.
Well, why not?
Too many or not enough people to participate and make a statement of his therapy’s impact or efficacy?
Spitzer only came up with a couple of hundred people. And I wonder if they were warmed over for Throckmorton’s study?
This is truly the stupidest pursuit I’ve ever seen.
I remember positing the question of how hard it would be to change a heterosexual straight.
What kind of commitment or threat would it take to make that happen?
Why are there no studies on what would motivate or what it would take (prison environments are inherently coercive. And that’s not changing orientation, just access and exclusivity of the population involved).
So in a congenial setting, one of acceptance and normal bonding, what would it take to make a heterosexual a homosexual?
Unless someone is willing to undertake the changeability of orientation to a conclusion…one would have to see the other side and compare results.
The assumptions and biases that concern us have to also admit pathologies present in heterosexuals AND homosexuals.
The truth is there IS NO DISTINCT DIFFERENCES between gays and straights that warrant ANYTHING negative against gay people. ESPECIALLY changing at all. It was NEVER for THEIR benefit, but for the benefit of heterosexuals, ALONE.
There are people whose hearts are on the right side. It’s a rare condition, but it happens.
We wouldn’t consider cutting that person’s heart out or putting them away without equal opportunity.
We don’t admonish and isolate left handed people anymore either.
In India, people who are little persons, especially with dwarfism, are automatically excluded from EVER attending school. Regardless of their functioning normally intellectually.
Primitive belief system?
Absolutely.
As primitive as those who want to change gay people, while at the same time believe they deserve exclusion from marriage, military service, adoption of children, Boy Scouts and respect from their teachers and clergy.
But not exclusion from paying taxes, sharing in material spending and social involvement and community support.
Throckmorton, despite your educated background, you ARE a primitive.
Your beliefs were invalidated long ago, and I for one…wish you and all the others would JUST GET OUT OF THE WAY.
We have a whole new world to move forward into.
Just like the college educated young lady from India who is a little person.
HER parents lit out for America where she could go to school without sanctions against her.
I don’t trust anyone that doesn’t know different from pathology.
It looks like this study could be summed up in one sentence:
People like people who share their viewpoints.
Not exactly groundbreaking new findings.
Re: “People like people who share their viewpoints. Not exactly groundbreaking new findings”
Exactly right and it doesn’t end there.
Dr. Throckmorton’s study was published in the “peer reviewed scholarly publication” Journal of Psychology and Christianity. And who publishes this journal you might well ask?
It turned out that the peers who peer-reviewed this article were the Christian Association for Psychological Studies, which carries this Statement of Faith on their website:
“God the Father, who creates and sustains us, Jesus Christ, the Son, who redeems and rules us, the Holy Spirit, who guides us personally through God’s inspired Word, the Bible, our infallible guide of faith and conduct, and through the communion of Christians.
I have nothing against faith or anyone who espouses it. But with such a strongly worded statement as part of that organization’s official pronouncements, I wonder how open these peers would be to accepting data which may conflict with their understanding of the “infallible guide to faith and conduct”?
Here’s one clue. In 1996 (vol 15, no 4.), they devoted an entire volume to an examination of various aspects of homosexuality, including reorientation therapy. Every single article in that volume was negative towards gays and lesbians, with many of then carrying the usual false allegations and misinformation surrounding homosexuality.
This publication is far from representing the best and most impartial presentation of science. In fact, I’d say that it would have to rank below Psychological Reports. And that’s saying a lot.
Jim said: “I’d say that it would have to rank below Psychological Reports.”Since the CAPS J. Psychology and Christianity is not even listed with ISI that about says it all.The JPC is (I’ve noticed) a preferred outlet for Yarhouse, Rosik, Schaefer. The 1996 journals mentioned by Jim featured such homosexuality experts as Thomas Schmidt, JG Muir and Neil Whitehead. While Throckmorton makes a point to mention that the JPC only accepts 28% of the papers submitted as proof of their selectivity — I’d suggest something else… they receive an awful lot of unprintable rubbish and/or the papers don’t fit with the religious stance of CAPS. I did a quick search and can find no positive (or even neutral) papers about homosexuality in the JPC. Perhaps this is what “peer reviewed” really means in this case.But I’m sure Warren doesn’t care.I’m sure those who will quote this paper won’t know the difference.
Re: “The 1996 journals mentioned by Jim featured such homosexuality experts as Thomas Schmidt, JG Muir and Neil Whitehead.”
Even Joe Dallas got an article published in that 1996 volume: “In defense of clinical treatment for homosexuality” (pp 369-372)
In a paraphrase of the old saying “you’re known by the company you keep”, it can also be said that
YOU’RE KNOWN BY THE PEERS THAT REVIEW YOU
While I do think that studies into the effectivity and practices of reorientation therapy can be useful, and while I do think that Throckmorton’s study does have some information that can add to the debate, I think Doc Throck invalidates his own work by turning to a joke of a journal.
Warren, I know you sometimes check in here. If you really want to be treated seriously, you have to stop undermining your own credibility.
Just to remind you, there are journals that purport to publish science, and then there are “journals.”
I’ll just leave it at that. Be skeptical.
My background is physics, and I can usually tell the difference.
hand practice or homosex is neccessary if yes/no reason ?