Oct. 21, 2004, on the PFOX Yahoo group (closed to non-members, and not archived):
“No one is gay to begin with. We are all born heterosexual. Gays are heterosexuals with homosexual problems, and some overcome their problems.”
— Estella Salvatierrez, PFOX
The idea that everyone is born straight and develops the gay mental illness is EXACTLY what Nicolosi believes. Salvatierrez’s statement doesn’t strike me as that outrageous if that is your reason for blogging it.
Salvatierrez makes an assertion of fact. It is up to her (him?) to prove it.
Frankly, I don’t give a tinker’s damn. But the statement is about as dumb as saying something like
>”No one is Jewish to begin with. We are all born Christian. Jews are Christian with Jewish problems, and some overcome their problems.”
…citing Jews for Jesus, of course.
/sarcasm.
response to: Dan Gonzalez
“But the statement is about as dumb as saying something like
>”No one is Jewish to begin with. We are all born Christian. Jews are Christian with Jewish problems, and some overcome their problems.”
…citing Jews for Jesus, of course.”
comparing “gays born as heterosexuals” to “jews born as christian”, is exactly right. it’s not stupid. Jews ARE born Christian, and i’m all for Jews for Jesus, “to the jew first, then to the gentile…”. Jews believed in God, when Christ was born they were to believe in His Son, the Messiah, but some did not, therefore, they have “jewish problems” (slave to the law).
I don’t know Cherie, but the Christians who seem to have the most issuse with homosexuality seem to be greater “slaves” to the law than Jews. Jews follow the law not because it is right/wrong or as some atonement for sin but because they are Jews. To them those laws and traditions are what make them Jews. To a Jew, Christ could be no more than a great man or a teacher. They could never view him as the Son of God nor could they believe in the trinity. To do so would make you a Christian and would require a Christian interpretation of Jewish scripture. Jews are not slaves to the law because it is following that law which makes them Jewish.